Andrew Lyman
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League RulesThe league rules have been available on the website for about a month now.
Would anyone like to comment, or suggest things that have been overlooked? Obviously, major rule changes will have to go before a league general meeting, but let's float ideas here before then.
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peterpotato
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Andrew Rules !!Whoops, I must've missed this one.
An excellent set of rules, Andrew, and they certainly clarify a lot of the grey areas that have developed over time.
The only point I feel needs reinforcing is the one about acceptable answers, surname only, full name etc etc, as this still leads to the most confusion at, and disparities between, quizzes.
To this end, directions for quiz readers MUST be given at the head of the page of every quiz, briefly outlining what they should say and do. Not every quiz reader is a keen quizzer, so I'm sure they would appreciate this guidance in their role.
On a more mischievous note, I was particularly amused by Rule 10, especially as one of the teams facing this penalty is the Top House Officials !!!!!
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Andrew Lyman
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Re: Andrew Rules !! | peterpotato wrote: |
On a more mischievous note, I was particularly amused by Rule 10, especially as one of the teams facing this penalty is the Top House Officials !!!!! |
Without fear or favour.......
I'm sure this sheet will turn up in the fullness of time, Peter. No team has ever faced this sanction in league history, and whilst it will not make a ha'porth of difference to the position of the Officials in the league, the relegation battle could get rather interesting for the Junction / Vulcan Club!!
And yes, I know. But they'll always be the Junction as far as I am concerned.
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Andrew Lyman
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Re: Andrew Rules !! | peterpotato wrote: |
To this end, directions for quiz readers MUST be given at the head of the page of every quiz, briefly outlining what they should say and do. Not every quiz reader is a keen quizzer, so I'm sure they would appreciate this guidance in their role.
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The idea is that the section of the rules headed 'Guidance for Question Readers' is included in every question pack that is issued for a quiz. It's a bit much to put this info on every page of the quiz, (although that gives me an idea - summarize the 'Guidance for Question Readers' in thirty words or less; sort a prize out, Simon) so our readers have the information to hand at all times.
And thanks for the positive feedback. The rules are as comprehensive as we could make them, but if you think something's missing, unclear, or just plain wrong - shout up. Or pm me. All suggestions, especially those that are meant to address 'specific cases' pm'd to me will be dealt with in strictest confidence.
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Guest
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Any rules which places the onus on the referee to inform the contestants is daft, e.g.
"Now Tiger, its you to go, and by the way:
The line of putt must not be touched except:
(i) the player may remove loose impediments, provided he does not press anything down;
(ii) the player may place the club in front of the ball when addressing it, provided he does not press anything down;
(iii) in measuring - Rule 18-6;
(iv) in lifting the ball - Rule 16-1b;
(v) in pressing down a ball-marker; "
If people playing quizzes don't understand that it is and has always been surname surname surname unless specifically requested, then that's tough. I've been screwed by that rule several times and it is just a hard knocks life.
RE Ordinal numbers, the purpose of an answer should be to indicate unambigously that the contestant knows the answer. A different answer to "What's written on the sheet" is not always a wrong answer, and should always merit at least a prompt, if not a tick
Edward Longshanks is probably a better answer than Edward I in that there's only One Edward Longshanks (Only one Edward Longshanks, One Edward Long ~ Shanks etc.). For disambiguation purposes King Edward I of England should be required.
Other Examples:
Q: For what purpose was Tegel Airport built in 194?
Answer: To Serve Berlin
In this case the question master should either say "Yes" or "Prompt".
Because the answer is right.
Tegel Airport was built to serve Berlin and still is performing that purpose
Q: Who carried the olympic flame for the UK...
Answer: Heather Martin
In this case the question master should say "no"
Because the answer is wrong.
Then again if a team get gain a six point advantage each game by arguing the toss over such questions, that certainly improves your points difference over a season.
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Guest
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I not sure if I have understood correctly what you are saying Steve, but here is my opinion anyway.
I think it is important to have guidleines/rules to provide a general format of what is accepted across the board.
I think it is difficult enough being a question reader even if you regularly play in the league you are reading for because can never expect everyone to agree upon what is ok and what is not (as I have found when reading the questions myself), however, I agree that if a quizzer may come extremely close to an answer but not have it exact to what is on the paper 9 times out of 10 it should be given. I am sure we have all had disputes over what is right because we have more knowledge on the subject than the question reader. If a question on science arose one week my poor knowledge of such would lead me to take the exact answer on the paper beacuse I would know no other. In these cases, I find, I ask the scorer then if they are unsure then I ask if both teams if agree that the answer is so near that it should be accepted, if so then I allow it. Left to my own judgement I would not have accepted Longshanks if the paper said Edward I unless it said accept Edward Longshanks. To assume that everyone would know that relies upon everyone having the same prior knowledge surely?
We also need to take into consideration that question readers may not always be regular quizzers but people just willing to help out a team that is short of members at a home game. New teams may join that do not understand how the league works and so the guidelines are helpful there.
You are never going to get perfection in a matter that relies on such judgement. To eradicate such would rely on taking exactly what is on the sheet. This puts a lot of pressure on the question setter to have just one word answers to all questions and avoid all 'why did?' questions.
In short, we have to a majority decision about how the game is played, call them rules if you like, and I am glad they are there
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Guest
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I guess that's just crazy old me. I would prefer to play in a league where a right answer is worth the points and a wrong answer isn't. When Chris Jones organised the league he used to employ a proper dunce who on a regular basis used tocome out with answers that wern't just ambigous - they were plain wrong!
e.g. How many dominoes are in a standard set?
When our opposition said 28 and were told they were wrong we immediately conceeded them the correct answer (because we knew they were, they knew they were, the question master agreed they were and we could have got a set from behing the bar to check) There were other teams in the league who did not give up the points.
That sucks. There is a deeper social philosophy in not neccesarily accepting "what is written on the sheet". It is more important to do the right thing.
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Brenda Clayforth
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Hi Steve still the same old rhetorc I see 
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Guest
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This is my truth, tell me yours
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peterpotato
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Which Welsh group ???That's an album by Welsh group Manic Street Preachers isn't it ? Or is it Stereophonics ? No matter, it'll never come up in a quiz....... 
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