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Guest · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: Individual Tables

Just wondering when division two individual tables will be up on the forum.
Is there a problem with this as division one's have been up a while now
Debby

Maverick Chucks · Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject:

Still no div 2 individual tables on the website, just wondering if someones calculator has broken or is this a class thing?? Would be nice to know how badly we all are doing especially as I seem to know everyone elses questions but not my own!!!

Guest · Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: Individual Tables

Yes I agree, Maverick.
We do seem to be neglected
We must be the poor relations
Debby

Guest · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: second class divsion?

Not only do we second division teams not get our individual tables but now last weeks scores are only available for division one. Sad

Do you think that we ahve been ousted out of the with out beeen told so as to enable a superleague!!!! Wink

Debby

peterpotato · Team Captain Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 101

You what, Debby ? Wink

I think an explanation may be that we currently have an absentee Secretary, and looking at recent results, the Top House Officials have an absentee captain !!

Official Simon · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: Thanks...

Nice to know that my contribution to the Top House Officials' quality is finally recognised!

I've left the Division Two individuals till later than Division One simply because there's longer to go in Division Two and so have more time to complete them.

It will be soon...
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Guest · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: Individual Tables

It would be good if we could see the Individual Tables before the end of the league matches. However, I don't see the logic there Simon about waiting. Confused

Is it not easier to create it with less info and then all you have to do is update it?

peterpotato · Team Captain Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 101

May I offer my congratulations to Steve Clarke of the Golden Lion Gems for scooping the Second Division Individual Averages title.

From miles back, he pipped evergreen Don Gibson, the Dudes quiz wizard Roy Wood, and forum regular Debby Carr to the title. A nice guy, and a deserving winner.

Oh, and well done to Tony Dickinson for the First Division award too !

On the whole, I think a good amendment to the rules for counting individual points. It provides a level playing field, where everybody gets the chance to score points for answering the same number of questions.

Guest · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: re-congratulations

I would like to join in with you Pete and offer congratulations to my fellow team mate Steve. Very Happy

Steve has played well this year, as usual, (a good all rounder who attemps every question even in categories he is not confident with) and I am so pleased to see him there.
I have to agree with you that the 3 point only tally works better as many times the opportunity for a passover does not arise. It does indeed make a level playing field and we will hopefully be keeping it next year.
Cool

Debby

Neil Aspland · Quiz Virgin Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 27

For some time now, the Individual Tables have not been accompanied by the rider that certain scoresheets are missing. This cannot be because they have all been found, since one of them involves the Railwaymen and my score has not been updated. We left that particular scoresheet with the Vulcan Club and they assure us it was posted. Now, as you might guess, I would be keen for it to be found since I got 6 points and would move up above a couple of notable players (one now a TV star). However, since the winner of the competition is (presumably) not affected by the missing sheets, it is clearly not too important this season. But what if a player's winning of the individual title depended on his/her score on a missing scoresheet? It's not too difficult to imagine such a situation, and it would be even more intriguing if the winning captain, who should have posted the sheet, is the individual who finishes top in the absence of his/her rival's missing score. Imagine furthermore that one of the players involved is Steve Kidd and you can probably see how there could be a massive controversy. Very Happy

So, what would happen in such a scenario? The result of the match is accepted through a phone call (though there is a rule that the committee can declare such a match a 0-0 draw), so would the committee also take a player's word for it that he/she scored 6 points? As it happens, I have my own written record of the score from our match against the Vulcan and can supply the scores of all four of our players, as well as those of our opponents (but the latter only by playing position as I can't remember who played where). Four other players scored 6 points in the match, so I'm not the only one whose average would go up. But my main point is: in the (unlikely) event that I needed my 6 points to win the individual title, would I be believed?

Neil.

Guest · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject:

Hello Neil,
A month later and no response to your posting from the committee. Now the season has finished does this mean that issues such as this are swept under the carpet I wonder? Perhaps so. I do know that there were other members of the league who were shown the relevant question sheets and asked about their individual scores for those matches where the scoresheets went missing. So, in the answer to whether you would be believed in the same situation then I can't see why the same priviledge should not be allowed for you if you could remember your own personal score for that match. I know it's a bit late in the day but if you wish to rectify the situation you could try contacting the committee
Good Luck
Debby Very Happy

Andrew Lyman · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject:

As I have said before, just because you can't see something happening, doesn't mean to say it isn't.

We have been trying to get an end-of-season committee get-together organised, but shifts, illness and holidays seem to get in the way. Finally we decided that we would have a meeting this evening, but only myself, Simon and Jason could attend. I know that this makes the committee quorate, but a number of decisions need input from Brenda and Peter, so it was decided not to make this an official committee meeting, more just a chat.

This situation was discussed. The system for returning scores and scoresheets to the secretary is not without its flaws, but it works well for the vast majority of situations. When there is a possibility of someone involved in a 'missing' match challenging for the individual crown, Simon does make an extra effort to locate the missing scoresheet. As you say, even going to the extent of visiting the appropriate team with a copy of the questions to try and jog people's memory as to who scored what in the match which could have taken place months before. I suppose that, although not explicitly covered in the rules, if the committee declare a match to be a nil-nil draw due to non-appearance of the scoresheet, that would set everyone's individual contributions to zero as well. Although that sanction has not been used in the league yet, there is a first time for everything.
Beyond that, we cannot say. We rely on the honesty of people when we ask the winning team to post the scoresheet - we rely on the Royal Mail to deliver the scoresheets to Simon. If the scoresheet does not show, we again rely on people's honesty and memories to get the scores together as best we can.
Maybe you could think about a better way to do it, in time for the AGM.

One that doesn't involve Simon, me or both driving up and down the Five Towns collecting scoresheets by hand.

Guest · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject:

Firstly can I say that how are we to know that something is happening if we are not told. Are we to guess that things are happening? It seems that all Neil was asking for was a reply. Was that too much too ask?
I think you made a valid point Neil, were you asked about the scores?
The situation stands that the returning of the scores sheets relies upon the goodwill of the winning team & post etc In theory that should be fine but, as it has been pointed out there needs to be a proceedure if this fails. Of course I am not suggesting that Andy or Simon drive up and down every week to collect them. Would it be possible that if the scoresheet does not arrive then the teams involved are contacted the following week when memories are fresher? Maybe both captains could keep a score of individuals scores of both teams in case of a repeat situation? It is important that a situation like this is not left for weeks but chased up as soon as possible. I was personally rung weeks after our scoresheet went missing, too long for me to remember even if I had have been present at that particular match. I personally feel that making the scores nil and void should be a final step as it penalises both teams but if it sends a message out I guess then it should be considered.

Neil Aspland · Quiz Virgin Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 27

Thanks, Debby. I have 'PM'ed our team's scores from that match to the Secretary and Chairman, so we will see what happens. I agree that it's better if missing scoresheets are chased up as soon as possible.

Neil.

Guest · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject:

Good luck Neil,
Hopeful you will receive a positive & constructive response to your postings that way. Smile

Guest · Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: Individual Tables Updated?

I was wondering whether the Individual tables will be udated now new information has been received Question

Peter McHugh · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: division 2 tables

both andy and simon are very busy people and i am sure that this oversight will soon be corrected
peter mchugh

Guest · Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: Individual Scores

Surely if Neil has fowarded the results he has they should be updated. Even though the season is over and the results do not change the leader I think that they should be used.

Neil Aspland · Quiz Virgin Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 27

Well, Debby, it would be nice to think that something will happen, but the 5TQL has a habit of aestivating. We still haven't got the scores of the three finals on the website, let alone reports of the matches (the tantalising banner promising a report of the Handicap Cup final doesn't do anything when you click on it). A similar thing happened last year, when we waited in vain for a report of the 'candlelit' finals night. I'm sure that our secretary and chairman are busy men, but they manage to keep things going during the 5TQL season itself, so it can't be too much to expect last season to be finished off properly on the website.

Neil.